KTM North America Addresses Camshaft Controversy & China Rumors
We talk with KTM NA’s VP of Operations to get clarification on the controversy.
The trail has gotten rough for KTM over the last year, with its most obvious bump in the road being surprisingly poor financial performance for the first half of 2024. And while that’s a bummer for shareholders, there’s an even more dangerous snake in the grass, a rapid decline in consumer confidence caused by KTM and its parent company Pierer Mobility Group’s slow response to reports of cam failures in its LC8c parallel-twin engines, used to power early 790 Adventure and Duke models.
Owners have been complaining about excessive camshaft wear for a couple years now, with the majority of reports coming from owners of pre-2021 790 models, though there have also been unconfirmed reports of damage with later 890s, as well as the Husqvarna Norden 901. These owners have been very vocal online, especially within the Facebook group KTM Failed Camshafts – 790/890 & 901, which currently has over 10,000 members.
Finally, in midsummer 2024, KTM responded to the issue on social media by putting out a brief statement and apology that did little to quell the growing dissatisfaction among owners who felt their issues were not being properly acknowledged or addressed, while scores of would-be consumers of the brand have now been turned off, and potentially away from future ownership.
It’s a rough scene, and for the sake of both sides, an issue ADV Pulse wanted to get clarification on straight from KTM. Accordingly, we had a candid interview with Robert Pearce, Vice President of Operations for KTM North America, with the goal of getting to the bottom of things.
Which Models Are Affected?
According to Pearce, the now-proven cam wear issues have been specifically limited to units using the LC8c 799cc parallel twin engine with model years 2018 through mid-2020. So, this means the 790 Duke and 790 Adventure models from that period could be affected.
But before we move on, KTM confirmed these units, including their engines, were all built at the Mattighofen factory in Austria, not in China by their partner CFMoto, but more on those concerns later.
How Many Units Affected?
One of the most important disclosures to come from this conversation is KTM’s statement of just how many of those 790 models sold between 2018 and mid-2020 have been affected by cam-related issues, to which the official answer is 0.5%. “That’s what we’re seeing and that is minute,” said Pearce.
While Pearce couldn’t supply the exact number of potentially affected units sold in any one country, he said this 0.5% total applies to North America as well as every other country where 790-powered motorcycles have been sold, adding that if it does fluctuate, it’s by 0.05% percent, so max upward count would be 0.55%.
The Problem Explained
Pearce described how the issue discovered on the 2018 to mid-2020 LC8c engine’s was not a problem with the camshaft itself, but rather with the finger followers that are activated by the camshaft lobes to open and close the valves. Pearce gets that people are talking about cams, but said with certainty: “It’s finger followers that have had a situation.”
He explained that when the potential issue was confirmed, a handful of updates were made at the production-level to improve durability, beginning with the mid-2020 model year units. First, the finger followers were increased in width by one millimeter to “reduce surface contact pressure.” Plus, a new “refined” DLC (Diamond-Like Carbon) coating was applied to the finger followers “for more safety margin against abnormal wear.”
The other thing that changed mid-2020 was the head. “The oil feed tube that runs up through the head that feeds the cams and the finger followers, there’s been a screen installed in that orifice to catch any type of debris. The oil passages themselves have not been changed, just the feed tube,” says Pearce. “It’s only been increased to accept the filter screen. It’s not to increase oil capacity or oil pressure.”
According to Pearce, in some instances debris entering the oil feed tube could cause a blockage, affecting the lubrication of the cam system. He goes on to mention that the debris might have been from chips created during the machining process of engine components.
Action For Affected Owners
Pearce wanted to make it clear that KTM is committed to curing “any of these situations that customers have and we’ve informed our dealer network to do that.” Owners of the affected model years will have the following remedies: If there is no damage to the head, dealers will simply replace the cams and finger followers, using the wider versions that have been treated with a more robust DLC coating. However, Pearce said that in 75 to 80 percent of cases the head will also need to be replaced with the current version, which includes the larger oil feed tube with the debris-blocking filter screen.
KTM has sent an email about the problem and solution to owners of 2018-2020 units that reads a little more generalized than what we heard straight from the horse’s mouth. And of the camshaft, KTM reminded owners that “the overall quality and integrity of the camshaft itself is not the problem.”
It goes on to say that the majority of model year 2018-2020 camshafts being inspected at dealerships are perfectly fine aside from “discoloration or running marks that have formed on the running surface of the cams or on the bearing points of the shafts and can be removed by cleaning.”
The cost of any parts that are deemed problematic by factory-authorized mechanics will be covered by KTM. When asked about the possibility of getting reimbursed for camshaft failure repairs that occurred before this was a known issue or if a dealer was unaware, Pearce elaborated, “there is reassurance we will take care of it.”
Symptoms Will Be Obvious
While Pearce wanted to assure KTM customers that the brand will be there to help in the case of premature reliability issues, he said the dealer network can’t handle a flood of people just coming in wanting to have their cams checked without reason.
He’d rather owners understand the warning signs, which if there’s an actual issue with the cams, will be impossible to ignore, beginning with sound: “It’s going to have severe clacking,” said Pearce, “because as the finger followers wear, the cams wear and it’s going to create more gap.”
The level of noise he described is not something that can be missed by the rider, as is the second most common symptom—a blatant reduction in performance. As for hard starting, which some owners have reported, Pearce said while it’s possible, that usually isn’t the case, and if it is, it’s preceded by noise and a reduction in power.
Why Not A Recall?
The first reason is the small number of confirmed failures. “With mechanical stuff, as you know, we have issues and we have problems, and I think all OEMs and all car manufacturers go on percentages of failures,” Pearce noted. “And with this being such a small fail rate of 0.5%, the factory felt the way of handling it was through goodwill.”
The second reason is that it’s not considered a safety issue. Typically, camshaft failures happen gradually over time. “This doesn’t happen within two miles or three miles. It’s a wearing situation,” says Pearce.
He went on to say that the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) has been in touch. “I’ve been asked by NHTSA, because they’ve seen some of the posts and stuff like that. Some people have contacted them.” He adds NHTSA inquired if the issue being reported was a safety concern. His answer was no. “There’s not one case of an accident, not one case of an injury,” explained Pearce. He attributed this to the very obvious symptoms laid out previously. “You don’t wake up in the morning and start your bike up and let it rattle like a pinball machine,” he says.
The bottom line? Any engine wear problem caused by the first generation finger followers and/or possible debris moving through the head unchecked should be easily detected without the chance of it leading to something catastrophic.
He went on to say that if a model has even one safety issue, like a brake failure for example, this could trigger an immediate recall, whereas something that’s more of a wear issue and a small number of instances will be addressed on the production line, and owners of existing machines will be taken care of through their goodwill program.
Future Recourse
When we asked Pearce what options exist for owners who might not have an issue currently, but may hear or feel signs of it two years or 6,000 miles down the line, he assured us that those owners would be taken care of as long as the problem isn’t directly a result of irresponsible use, such as lack of maintenance or “sinking it in a river.”
Pearce acknowledged that KTM understands it’s a problem that might pop up with accumulated mileage, and is not likely something an owner will encounter during the first couple thousand miles.
“But if a guy’s got 50,000 miles on it? First of all, we’re going to congratulate him and thank him for owning a KTM, and then we’ll take a look at it.” In most cases they will do whatever is possible to help that customer out.
He also went on to remind customers they need to do their due diligence, such as changing the oil and filter in accordance not only to schedules but usage, say if you encounter huge amounts of dust, change the air filter more often.
To address additional complaints heard by owners who have gone into their dealership only to be told the dealer has no idea there’s a potential issue, Pearce says this should no longer be the case, as all dealers have recently received detailed instructions on how to deal with the topic.
If for some reason the owner doesn’t get the help they need from a dealer, KTM invites them to contact customer service via the methods listed at the bottom of this story.
China Syndrome
Another issue that has reached a fevered pitch relates to KTM and its partnership with China’s CFMoto. As mentioned earlier, KTM wants to set the record straight on which of its models are built in China. Firstly, none of the affected models from the years identified or their engines were built in China. Zero.
Furthermore, reported Pearce, before model year 2023, no KTM machines of any designation were built in China, nor were engines made there and shipped to Austria for assembly. This is pure myth. The 2023 790 Duke and current model year 790 Adventure began being built at CFMoto facilities for the first time and under the “same or higher standards” than what’s implemented in Austria. That’s two models made in China out of some 300 produced by parent company Pierer Group.
“With the 790s, that was an existing platform, and we discontinued it, but we wanted to bring it back to basically have something that hit the right cost perspective in the market, and we shared that technology with CF moto for that platform only,” said Pearce.
Some of the smaller budget-oriented KTMs, including the 390 Duke, Adventure and Enduro, as well as overseas-only models like the 200cc and 250cc Duke or Pierer derivatives like the Husqvarna 401 are built in India by Bajaj Auto, a strategic partner since 2014. Pearce says this business model, as well as the movement of 790 production to China, is all about “getting butts into seats.”
Other than that, all other bikes and their engines are made in Austria. That includes the 690 Enduro R, all 890/1290/1390 models, all the motocross, enduro and performance dual sport models like the KTM 500 EXC-F or 300 XC-W.
As far as moving more production to China in the future, Robert explained “As it is today, as plans that we see for the future, there’s no other models that are going to be moved to China. This is not our decision but I can’t see any more of the production going over there. I’ve been here 19 years and sometimes it’s amazing what decisions are made but I just don’t see it.”
The Bottom Line
We hope this information has answered some of your questions and helped weed out certain misconceptions. It appears to us that KTM is doing the best it can to make amends for an issue it probably should have addressed more aggressively from the start. And although it seems the issue was being dealt with behind the scenes and on the production line, arguably part of the failure was in KTM’s slow communication with owners and dealers.
There’s no doubt that the groundswell of concerns and complaints that have taken shape on the Internet, and especially via the Facebook page: KTM Failed Camshafts – 790/890 & 901, have helped bring this problem to light, not only for other owners, but also for KTM, which acknowledged it’s following the posts.
For anyone who doesn’t feel their issue is being properly addressed at the dealer level KTM invites you to use its customer service number: (855) 215-6360. You can also submit a complaint or request through the KTM website at support.ktm.com/hc/en-us/requests/new.
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I appreciate this part: “… before model year 2024, no KTM machines of any designation were built in China, nor were parts made there and shipped to Austria for assembly. This is pure myth.”
Hey Paul. Slight correction on that. It should have read “nor were engines made there and shipped to Austria for assembly.”
Proof of the myth?
The quote is “nor were engines made there and shipped”. There are a bunch of parts on the full line made in China.
The notion that the failure happens over time is flawed. I have seen three so far that have dropped a valve destroying the head piston and cylinder. This level of failure could cause a sudden loss of power with potentially deadly results. This should be a recall 100%
Not mentioned is the fact that my now since repaired 2020 790 ADV R has lost about $3000 in value because of this issue! I was thinking of trading it in for a Japanese ADV right at the dealer who repaired it and they said: “It’s a bike with a now known major engine problem, how do you expect me to move it and make any money on it?” 0.5 % issue…BS! The 50,000 mile remark? It sounds like KTM owners are lucky to get that far on an engine and should be thrilled! Screw you KTM. Are you going to fix my bike again on your tab 3 years from now? Needless to say I am one and done with KTM. Should have went with the Yamaha T7 after all.
same here
Yeah, the problem with their statement is that there have been numerous reports on 2021,2022 and as far as I know 1 report on a 2023 model. Then you ride a bike maybe 3, 4 or what about 6 years and then you get hit with the problem. Will they still honour it?
I have one of their sister brands in the garage still but it would be really hard for me to buy a KTM or sister brand again after this. The right thing to do is to say that it will be sorted regardless of year or anything for the life of the bike and or do a recall. Expensive? Yes – but i would think less expensive than the money they are losing with people leaving in droves. I think it really is worse than they think. Someone can’t post a picture or video of a KTM and the first comment is reliability. I had a 790 and just could not shake the feeling of when is this thing going to start giving me problems. I traded it on another brand – I took a hit but now i’m not thinking about this anymore and enjoying my new motorcycle. KTM makes THE best adventure and dual purpose bikes – but now they need to work on reliability. The best means nothing if your bike is broken waiting for parts and your buddies are off riding.
The finger-follower hardening doesn’t sound right. If the followers were too soft, why would the cam lobes be so badly worn? If you further harden the followers, wouldn’t that damage the cam lobes more? This non-engineer reader is puzzled.
The main fix was the widening of the finger followers. This spreads the pressure over the full surface of the cam lobe, reducing the overall surface tension.
No where does the article mention the followers being soft
Rob read the article again. Note that they hardened the followers.
Rob: KTM said they increased the DLC hardening of the finger followers.
Luckily I sold my ’19 790adv after one year of ownership. Brilliant bike. But after the 5th dash screen replacement due to unacceptable internal condensation and the final answer that KTM wouldn’t replace more units until a fixed solution was found… well I wasn’t going to wait the warranty to end and finding myself with an unusable bike because of a broken dash.
That was for me a clear message of how things were managed, and the increase number of cams related faults reported at the time wasn’t certainly inspiring more confidence in KTM.
I’m very close to the issue with these bikes and KTM is downplaying its significance. We’ve seen 6 units with cam failures 3 of which required a complete overhaul (engine cases, head etc) all but one failed before the first valve adjustment. That is a huge problem and KTM has completely blown their response to this issue. Working with KTM North America on warranties can be a bit messy and if your dealer doesn’t know how to get things done it’s worse yet. There are YouTube videos of customers riding their bikes and having on camera failures KTM remained silent and downplayed the issue. All this coupled with lengthy parts back orders and abysmal warranty labor times resulted in KTM going into damage control mode.
Imagine the narrative if KTM issued this?
KTM, Thank you to our valued customers that have supported us and brought us to where we are today. We have discovered a number of our parallel twin 790 and 890 cc platforms have exhibited accelerated valve train wear that could potentially lead to complete engine failure. Out of an abundance of caution and customer care we are issuing a recall on all these platforms until the issue is resolved and every eligible bike is repaired.
Instead they threw gasoline on the social media fire by dragging their feet. Customer confidence has been shattered by their actions, reliability and customer care in recent years. Now they are in damage control mode, recently even putting out a dealer only live stream to address some of the rumors and China issues. KTM recently built a new western HQ in socal that is grand in scale and in the most expensive business market in the world. Money spent here could have been used to develop better product and fix existing issues. In my opinion KTM got too big for their britches and cannot live up to their own hype.
The good news is they are taking care of things albeit a bit late. It will take time for KTM to get back on track and to rebuild loyalty and trust.
So basically the models with the problem were built in Austria. The ones built in India and China have no problems.
It’s too bad these companies continue to destroy jobs in their home countries in the name of better profit margins. The price of the bikes continue to go up. If CF Moto is making bikes of higher quality standards than the KTM factory, then why wouldn’t I just pay a lot less for a CF Moto. Once the brand loses it’s heritage in the name of profits, then whats the point of brand loyalty. KTM and most other companies are making all of their decisions based on profit without concern for what customers value. That’s their prerogative, but it’s also up to us where we take our business. China has the proper business model. Offer other companies a golden egg in exchange for their brand loyalty. Employees and customers are not concerned if you can grow your net revenue by 10% a year. We are more concerned about having reliable pay and reliable products. You will still make plenty of money to operate a successful business with integrity and loyalty to you customer base and your employees. Too many business leaders have lost their way in the name of company growth, not sustainability.
I have owned a number of KTM/Pierer bikes (990, 1050, 790, 901 and now 701) which ran mostly problem free, plus a 2012 690 which two times needed to be towed with destroyed valve drive. I always defended KTM against the rumor of bad reliability. The 690 was the black sheep, yes. I can’t do this defense now any more, the way they handled the LC8c issue is too bad. Let’s hope the current 701 will serve me well for a few more years to come, but I doubt the Pierer group has regained my trust when it’s time for a new bike after that. Then I will buy Japanese. Or maybe Indian, who knows.
I’ve had several ktm products, most recently husqvarna 501s, that I sold yesterday.
Plan is to get a kore capable midsized adv bike to replace my klr.
The Norden expedition was on my hit list despite my disdain for all the tech. Then I discovered this csm issue, more specifically ktm response…. this made my decision easy.
One bike sold, once the klr is sold I’ll be ordering a 2025 tenere 700 once available.
China/India affiliation, poor response to the cam issue…. good riddance KTM.
“Only 0.5% of bikes are affected”. How did KTM get to this number? If all 790/890 models were inspected the percentage of bikes affected would be way higher. Anyways, this article does not give me increased confidence in KTM. As a matter of fact it makes it only worse. Just like Stu mentioned earlier, they’re still trying to downplay the issue. I just got a KTM 890 ADV R and now I am worried that my 15K+ investment has been a total failure on my behalf not to mention the resale value. Already you can see on Facebook Marketplace owners sell 2023 KTM 890 ADV R for 10-11K with few miles on them while dealers still sell them for 15K. It will be my last KTM I own and I had a 950 and a Husky 701.
Pre 2020 790 – you lost me there. My 21 890 just had head, cams and followers replaced. BS
To be very specific. Which KTM models are made in China now? Cycle World article stated a loss of 300 jobs and production moving to China. That sounds like a lot of jobs?
Only three models are made in china none of which are sold in the North American market.
I wouldn’t buy any bike made in China. No matter what name is on it.
I had a 23 890r, unbelievably bad dealer experience with the 3 different dealers in my area, Had many issues, was told we need you to pay for warranty work up front because ktm has a habit of not honoring warranty work????? Sold the bike at a huge loss. Never again will I own any ktm husky products.
I suspect more accurately the dealer said if you want it done *immediately*, you need to pay up front.
And now that KTM has issued this policy, it will do such work immediately. Parts availability allowing, of course.
My first experience with this camshaft issue was in early 2020. It was a 790 Duke at 13000 miles. The bikes cams were worn to the point of jettisoning several shims, hammering the collets consequently dropping a valve destroying the head, piston and scoring the cylinder. KTM covered the issue under warranty. That bike had the old part number cams and followers fitted at that time …I suspect it’s a time bomb
I guess that is good to know. No need to but an expensive KTM or Husqvarna, just get a cheap Chinese CFMoto. Apparently they have things figured out. If they fixed the problem in 2020 why did it take them another 4 to 5 years to inform the public? This is not a well run company.
I would have easily owned 3-4 KTMs over the years if their quality was better, but I just can’t risk it.
Just when you think they have finally figured it out, another issue comes up.
And the dealers aren’t exactly the best when it comes to these type of issues.
If KTM wants to put butts in seats, they need to make quality a true priority and moral value of the company.
We’ve had a lot of KTMs – In 1290, 1190, 890 and 390 formats, spanning more than 10 years – All of them have been great designs and ahead of their time, offering awesome power to weight, great agility and great control tech and excellent rider info systems – The engineering is really impressive and highly reliable even on the older bikes. They are so good that bikes like the 2013 1190 Adventure (electronic suspension variant) are in many ways still superior to what most other manufacturers are currently selling in 2024. I’ve never had any significant problem with KTM bikes – I unreservedly recommend KTM motorcycles on this basis
Agree. I’ve owned various 950, 690 and 890 models over time. I wouldn’t hesitate to buy another KTM as they make unique performance machines. I sympathize with the issues owners have had as discussed in this article. I believe much of the brand dissatisfaction is from a loss of confidence that is not supported by empirical data, but yet KTM’s attitude. Believing your bike is a ‘ticking time bomb’ is not the same as problems are inevitable. Life is short, I’m going for what stirs the soul.