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ADV NewsKTM Responds To Reports Of Camshaft Failures On 790/890 Models

KTM Responds To Reports Of Camshaft Failures On 790/890 Models

The Austrian brand addresses owner complaints after online pressure builds.

Published on 07.25.2024

We’ve seen the grumblings online. Some KTM owners of LC8c parallel twin-powered models have complained about excessive camshaft wear, including failures. The majority of reports come from owners of pre-2021 790 models, though there have also been some accounts of damage with later 790 and 890s, as well as the Husqvarna Norden 901.

These riders have been very vocal online, especially within the Facebook group, “KTM Failed Camshafts – 790/890 & 901” which is currently 8.6k members strong and has now curated a substantial amount of owner reports, many that include photos of damage.

The groundswell has become impossible for KTM to ignore as it acknowledged the issue via a social media post, saying firstly, “we would like to extend our apologies to the people who feel affected by the camshaft topic.” The Austrian company went on to assure owners it sees and hears the feedback, “whether it’s online, via our authorized KTM dealer network or simply through community chatter.”


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Disgruntled owners have long speculated over causes of the excessive wear, with some believing the problem to be the result of poor quality parts, overly narrow cam followers, or lubrication issues. In respect to this, the Austrian manufacturer says they have already resolved issues that may be contributing factors of this wear behavior by making changes on the manufacturing side, including introducing an additional oil strainer from 2020 on and wider cam followers beginning with 2021 units.

KTM responds to camshaft failure reports on 790 and 890 motorcycle models.

“The camshafts used on the LC8c platform have no inherent defect,” KTM said in an official communication with MCN. “This applies both to the hardness of the camshafts and the width of the finger followers, as well as the sufficient lubrication of these components.” 

For those owners of 2021 and earlier models that show signs of unusual cam wear, the Austrian manufacturer says dealers have been assessing and repairing the cam assemblies free of charge on a case-by-case basis, part of a “goodwill” policy KTM says they implemented specifically for the issue. The program may also extend to owners who have already paid for camshaft replacement as long as prior work conforms with the goodwill policy guidelines. 

Per KTM, it’s been a small number of failures. For example in the UK, MCN, confirmed the Austrian manufacturer has acknowledged 29 failures have occurred within Great Britain, all of which were fixed under warranty. For perspective, KTM stated 55,000 790 Adventures and Dukes were sent to the global market through 2020. 

In the new statement, KTM goes on to explain they have specifically given authorized dealers instructions on how to inspect camshafts on 2018-2020 790s when an owner reports an issue. KTM says investigations have shown the majority of these bikes have been found not to have suffered physically damaging wear, but instead are showing benign discoloration or “running marks that have formed on the running surface of the cams or the bearing points of the shafts,” which can be removed by cleaning. “The overall quality and integrity of the camshaft itself is not the problem,” reads the statement. 

For some, the virtual firestorm created online seems to have done as much damage as having an actual mechanical problem, with some members of the very active Facebook group reporting they have sold their potentially affected models or changed their plans to buy a bike in the current LC8c range. 

KTM responds to camshaft failure reports on LC8c models.

MCN, which recently reported on the topic, highlighted a case of a Senior Technical Officer at the University of Queensland who had experienced cam failure on his 790. As an engineer he inspected his own camshaft, performing a Rockwell arc flash analysis, which measures the hardness of material, and reported the carbon content was lower than he would’ve expected, insinuating the camshaft itself could be the culprit.

KTM responded saying it does not have the personal investigation results from this particular test so could not comment on them, and went on to assure that all KTM products are fully tested during development and carefully monitored after sale on the market.

In another case presented by MCN, Austrian motorcycle engineering and analysis company, Coober GmbH, which provides laboratory services for engine development as a main offering, shared images online of a 2023 890 engine presenting what appears to be excessive wear on the cam lobes. 

It’s stories such as these that are causing so much discontent among LC8c model owners around the world, fueling an online firestorm that has prompted KTM to respond.

When asked by MCN if KTM is considering a recall on any of the LC8c models it responded by saying the small number of complaints will still be dealt with on a case-by-case basis, adding that the situation does not constitute a safety risk for customers.

In the event you experience a camshaft related issue, which presents with symptoms such as poor starting behavior, clearly audible, unusual running noises from the engine and noticeably reduced engine power, KTM encourages owners to visit an authorized dealer for an inspection. 

The statement ended with further apology for any “inconvenience or hassle” customers have experienced. 

Photos by KTM

Author: Jamie Elvidge

Jamie has been a motorcycle journalist for more than 30 years, testing the entire range of bikes for the major print magazines and specializing in adventure-travel related stories. To date she’s written and supplied photography for articles describing what it’s like to ride in all 50 states and 43 foreign countries, receiving two Lowell Thomas Society of American Travel Writer’s Awards along the way. Her most-challenging adventure yet has been riding in the 2018 GS Trophy in Mongolia as Team AusAmerica’s embedded journalist.

Author: Jamie Elvidge
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James
James
July 25, 2024 3:55 pm

The claim by KTM is ” 29 failures” but the F.B. group has almost
9000 members. If you read some of those posts, many don’t speak
highly of the warranty experience.
I think more than a ” So sorry, we’ll see what we can do” letter won’t really
restore confidence. The new 790 would have been on my
purchase list, but no longer as a result of this issue.

Jamie Elvidge
Jamie Elvidge
July 25, 2024 4:56 pm
Reply to  James

The “29 failures” was reported by KTM for bikes sold in the UK, so of course the global number would be much higher.

James
James
July 25, 2024 7:46 pm
Reply to  Jamie Elvidge

Agreed, yet they did not reveal total failures, instead choosing to focus on the 29 failures in the U.K. It is highly suspect, basically ” cherry picking” the data for their advantage.
Show me the global numbers if it’s not a big issue.

Jamie Elvidge
Jamie Elvidge
July 25, 2024 8:49 pm
Reply to  James

If you read closely you’ll see that was KTM’s response to Brit magazine MCN, so makes sense it was UK numbers, but I agree it would be interesting to see a more in-depth accounting. It feels like the Facebook group is a step in the right direction, revealing more about the scope of the issue.

Jason
Jason
July 26, 2024 3:54 pm
Reply to  Jamie Elvidge

Sure they provided failures for great Britain, but they compared that to global sales. That’s cherry picking.

bob
bob
July 29, 2024 9:57 am
Reply to  Jason

Nor do they point out how many 790 and 890 bikes in total were sold in Great Britain. Were all the failures ones that were confirmed or does this include failed cams that were denied. Many people are reporting they were denied for various dumb reasons.

Keith
Keith
July 25, 2024 5:26 pm

Jamie, thank you for covering this. KTM has denied claims blamed it on dust and its customers for long enough. Hopefully the Facebook group has brought this to light and journalist like yourself will keep spreading the word. KTM will not respond out of duty or good will it will have to be continued pressure from the community.

Jake
Jake
July 25, 2024 9:42 pm

Why is there discoloration on the cam lobes and what does that mean in terms of wear? Reading a Yamaha service manual, discoloration in the cam lobes warrants replacing them.

mihai
mihai
August 2, 2024 10:13 am
Reply to  Jake

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July 25, 2024 10:29 pm

Unfortunately, this all tracks with the experiences of many of whom I’ve read about in the online community about KTM for at least the last 10 years; the poor response to warranty issues, the denial a problem exists, etc.

You can see the attitude in their communication: “…to the people who FEEL affected by the camshaft topic”? Seriously? Could you say, “it’s not me, it’s you”, any more clearly? What clowns.

And then to have the gall to follow up with, “KTM takes product quality seriously…”

As much as I really, really wanted to buy a 1290 SAR, I just could not bring myself to pull the trigger because of the concern for encountering this kind of behavior if I had an issue with the bike.

It kind of tracks with their behavior in not bringing the 2021 SA 1290 range to NA in 2021, instead calling it a “new” model in 2022 in the NA market, despite the model actually being at least a year old – like we’re all idiots in this market who don’t read/watch reviews from other countries.

If even half of what has been posted about them by owners trying to get warranty service is true, their arrogance is beyond astounding.

Gedrog
Gedrog
July 26, 2024 5:24 am

They have always had poor quality control, I feel this should have being dealt with as a recall the 890 was plagued with issues right from the get go with suspension unit failures yet again only addressing affected units. They conveniently hide behind the safety aspect required for an official recall. I wonder how many other types of failures there are that has so far not reached the scale of the cam lobe failures.

Jamie
Jamie
July 26, 2024 5:56 am

I’m not going to beat around the bush. I HATE KTM as an organisation. My duke cut out in front of 3 lanes of incoming traffic. It was within the warranty period. You’d have thought they’d have been eager to check this over for the good of all their other customers. No.because one of the services was carried out by a BMW main dealer, they refused to even look at it. L

Joe John
Joe John
July 29, 2024 5:58 am
Reply to  Jamie

I don’t know when this happened but it is illegal for manufactures to refuse warranty claims because service was not done by the OEM. Harley was taken to court on this claim and lost because they were refusing claims for motorcycles that had had service done by owners or other dealers.

John Bee
John Bee
July 31, 2024 11:22 am
Reply to  Joe John

Tell that to Triumph. I couldn’t get warranty work done on my 800XC because the dealer refused to inform Triumph that I had a problem. The dealer said in court that I serviced the bike myself and that is why they refused to tell Triumph about my problem.

Aron AD
Aron A
July 26, 2024 7:16 am

I am one of the 790r owners that experienced this issue; the bike was at the dealer for 6 solid months. First ktm denied the claim, fortunately I have a great dealer and they went back and forth for 3 months until ktm decided to cover it. But it took another 3 months for parts to arrive. It was the worst experience I’ve ever had, no more ktm, will stick to bmw.

Jake
Jake
July 26, 2024 8:17 am

High performance and high drama. Been there, done that Never again.

Christopher Johnson
Christopher Johnson
July 26, 2024 2:17 pm

I’m a 2020 ADV 790R owner, and I have been hearing what may be excessive noise from the top end. The bike has very low miles on it. The ADV Rider forums opinions seem to imply that it’s normal. Time to tear down?

David Levy
David Levy
July 26, 2024 6:40 pm

it’s a minimum three-month wait for parts at best….
This would have devastating results that could leave KTM owners not only stranded but also on a trip to other countries outside of ‘home’ will also see KTM owners breaching VISA and their bike’s Temporary Import Permits and/or Carnet De Passage legally binding agreements.
This can result in massive fines or payable duties even more expensive than the bike itself and could even result in the bike’s confiscation by customs authorities.

Joe John
Joe John
July 29, 2024 6:05 am

It’s unfortunate. Their v-twin lc8 and their 690 single are very reliable engines. Once trust is lost for a company it is hard to regain. This bumbling PR post from KTM just sounds like a lot of corporate double speak and dissembling.

Kai
Kai
July 29, 2024 10:30 am

Sadly KTM has a long history of upper end failures. Keyword: 690 rocker arm bearings. I had that problem on my 2012 690 first time at 7500km, then again at 29.000. Now that bike might be used not so much for long distance travel, in contrast to the 790/890/901. At those bikes the engine should last 100.000km without major repairs! I am now back on a 2022 701 Enduro with a revised valve drive and hope this will last longer than the 690 did. Currently just below 20.000km. I am glad I got rid of the 901 I had before, both because of weight and durability – let’s wait another 20.000…

Alfredo
Alfredo
July 29, 2024 11:53 am

In Italy the dealers are still in the dark about everything and many of these refuse to recognize the interventions under warranty.

John Bee
John Bee
July 31, 2024 11:29 am

I sure wish the Triumph crowd was as noisy and well organized as the KTM crowd seems to be. My 800XC might have been a decent bike if it had come with an actual warranty.

Cosmic Miller
Cosmic Miller
July 31, 2024 10:43 pm

A pertinent observation; The big twins are Made in China FOR KTM.

OrossD
Oross
August 2, 2024 9:29 pm
Reply to  Cosmic Miller

Source?

Ned
Ned
August 2, 2024 12:00 am

Thanks for the good summary of developments, but I think you gave them an easy ride (pun intended)

The 790 890 901 bikes hold a massive share of middle weight adventure market and are great to ride.

Unfortunately the company and its owner experience is third rate at best, avoiding serious investigation of the affected models – why no offer of free inspection and repair, irrespective of symptoms? Why by Facebook notice and not in legally enforceable terms? Why not contact owners directly for a recall?

You don’t have to be a genius to know why. They are surprisingly relaxed about the goodwill damage, some people will never touch their brand as a result.

BMW and triumph must be delighted!

Ned
Ned
August 14, 2024 6:57 am
Reply to  Ned

Here’s an update: manufacturing falure by KTM due to poorly done cross drillng of oil feeds to cam lobes? Where was the QC on the heads if so…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6O-VPQGsKI

Kam
Kam
August 26, 2024 11:43 am

Has anyone verified this is an official corporate statement? Is this just a PR letter or is this a technical bulletin to all affected KTM 790 / 890 owners? I’ve seen some post elsewhere debating authenticity. Let me know.
I am wondering why KTM has drawn a black and white line as to affected models and years; pre 2021. But, they have not stated what causes problem. One could argue KTM still doesn’t know what causes premature cam lobe wear.

Esther
Esther
September 1, 2024 1:09 pm

KTM has no care for long term customer retention IMHO. There are plenty of us in America too that make jokes about our KTM’s quirks and now selling because we are fed up with it all. The problem mentioned in this article is not over with 2020 models. I have a 2022 890 adventure when aforementioned issues reared its face. KTM service said for months; “nothing was wrong” while other times they said; “it just normally sounds that way on some”. It was not until it got bad enough that I got a pro racer to call them up and tell them to do the right thing. The cam tensioner and chain were changed out with Dirt Trax brand and issue resolved. It is potentially going out again after 6k more miles, therefore there clearly is potential truth in that oil and camshaft is faulty, not to mention the possibility that not all upgrades for new model years were implemented as stated. I don’t know but I spend a lot of money on keeping the KTM 890 extremely well maintained. I cannot ask for a better adventure bike off tarmac when it works, but combining my and other KTM ownership issues brought up, and even by a KTM racer recently, the quirks are finally too annoying to ignore and put up with. If KTM brand really stood behind their product, KTM corporate should be extending everyone an unlimited warranty regardless of reason.

Pjay
Pjay
September 6, 2024 6:09 am
Reply to  Esther

Yea, KTM are correct, it’s not the Cams at fault (they weren’t lying)… it’s the oil-ways under the cams, they can easily starve the cam-train.

Bottom line- go back to frequent oil changes if you have the first year production run of 790\ 890 engine.

We can check this by asking anyone who got the warranty work done if KTM quietly replaced everything from the head up?

pabankerD
pabanker
September 15, 2024 6:42 pm

“Feel” affected? Comparing only the few warranties you honored in one small market to the total # of bikes you sold worldwide? These are weasel tactics that everyone sees through. Looks like KTM has still not learned its lesson. They get failing grades in production engineering, quality control, customer service, and public relations.

pabankerD
pabanker
September 15, 2024 6:48 pm

KTM tried to get away with comparing the few # of warranties they honored in one small market against the total # of bikes they sold in all markets. Who doesn’t see through such a misleading number? KTM deserves its bad reputation. Their fumbling and evasion is epic.

Lawrence
Lawrence
October 19, 2024 2:18 am

So ktm is like Ferrari.
Fun to operate as long as a friend owns it.

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